This very rare AMC AMX/3 by Bizzarrini has SOLD on My Car Quest and is on its way to Germany from Louisiana USA!
Congratulations to both the seller and the buyer.
by Mike –
There were only five AMX/3s made before American Motors shut the program down in late 1970. Then one more was assembled from the remaining parts for a total of six of these beautiful super cars. The AMX/3 was engineered and constructed by the brilliant Giotto Bizzarrini with styling by AMC’s head of design Richard Teague.
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These very rare super cars almost never come up for sale. But now, owned by the same owner for the last 24 years, AMX/3 by Bizzarrini is for sale.
This is a unique opportunity for anyone who appreciates the history, beauty and performance of this gorgeous mid-engine design and wants a special car that most people have never seen in person.
With engineering by Giotto Bizzarrini and power by the AMC 390 cid V8 this is a special car.
The AMX/3 chassis is a semi-monocoque design made of steel as is the body. Underneath – upper and lower wishbone suspension front and rear, Teves four-wheel power disc brakes, Campagnolo alloy wheels, and a front-mounted radiator with cooling fans.
This AMX/3 was the car tested on the Monza race track by BMW who helped evaluate the AMX/3’s performance.
It is believed this is the only AMX/3 that was branded as AMX/3 by Bizzarrini as you can see in some of the photos this was printed on the rear of the engine lid.
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Make: American Motors
Model: AMX/3 by Bizzarini
Year: 1969 (registered as a 1967)
Chassis number: 36325555
Body material: Steel
Exterior color: Red/Orange
Interior color: Black and Red
Engine: The original AMC V8 390 cid – 390 hp
Odometer: 821 km since the restoration in 1990 – total is unknown
Condition: Excellent – condition 2
Number made: Five before AMC shut the project down and then one more was assembled with left over parts for a total of six
Ownership history: Bill Demichielli bought the car and brought it to the US in 1971. It was sold to Jack Cohen, a friend of Dick Teague (the cars designer), in 1976. It was acquired by the current owner, Walter Kirtland, in August 1989.
This is the test car that was used for speed tests at Monza. During testing the car wanted to lift at 145 MPH, but with the addition of a small chin spoiler Bizzarini told the current owner that they were able to reach 170 MPH, 10 MPH more than American Motors had asked for. BMW participated in these tests and wrote an extensive report attesting to the rigidity of the chassis and the handling.
Giotto Bizzarrini-AMX/3 number 4
In a hand written note to the current owner written in 1990 at Pebble Beach, on the inside of the photo album that comes with this AMX/3, Giotto Bizzarrini wrote,
The car in the photos is the AMX/3 experimental on which have been tested all the necessary tests and checked out. After I have been to Munich to the BMW factory for more test on the road stability, returning to Livorno I tested the car for road stability which was concluded in Monza with 1.59.8 timing per lap.
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The car remained original until the current owner had it restored by Bill Decarr at Bill’s Body Shoppe in Bellflower California in 1990. The original engine and transmission were rebuilt in 1990. The rubber hood and trunk hold downs were removed for the restoration and the exhaust tips were changed. Bill Decarr told the current owner that the metal work was some of the best he had ever seen.
This AMX/3 was shown at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance in 1990 and at the Meadowbrook Concours d’Elegance in 2004 where it won the award for Best Paint even though the paint was 14 years old.
AMX/3 by Bizzarrini at Pebble Beach in 1990
The opportunity to acquire an AMC AMX/3 by Bizzarrini may not come along again.
A photo album is included with this AMX/3 – the slide show immediately below shows some of the photos – the AMX/3 in these photos is this car. A note signed by Giotto Bizzarrini and another note signed by Salvatore Diomante are on the inside cover of this photo album. The Giotto Bizzarrini note is translated and displayed above.
The photos in the two slide shows below are current photos
At Pebble Beach in 1990
Current Photo – Notice the Bizzarrini logo on the speedometer
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One of the other five Bizzarrini AMX/3’s, also red, is on display in Autoworld, the remarkable automobile museum in Brussels. Interestingly, the one in Brussels lacks the black inset across the front of the hood. The Belgians had a little trouble spelling “Giotto,” but otherwise, it makes a great display.
WRONG, THERE WERE 6 AND ALL OF THEM ARE IN THE STATES AND THE ONLY “RED” ONE WAS DICK TEAGUE’S AND IT WAS IN THE PETERSON MUSEUM. THIS IS THE RED/ORANGE CAR WHICH WAS OWNED BY MY STEP-DAD AND MOM JACK AND MARGARET COHEN.
THE ONE YOU SAW IS ONE OF THE FAKES BUILT BY LEFTOVER PARTS USED TO BUILD THESE CARS AND FUTURE CARS UNTIL AMC KILLED THE PROJECT.
Steven – Isn’t the sixth car owned by Salvatore Diomante and is in Italy and is red? Couldn’t this be the car spotted in Belgium by deerroger?
Read here: http://www.amx390.com/6.html
NOPE, DICK TEAGUE’S SON OWNS THE ONLY RED CAR. I SAW THE ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THERE WERE A LOT OF SPARE PARTS AFTER AMC DUMPED IT DUE TO COST. A COUPLE WERE PUT TOGETHER IN ITALY BUT WERE NEVER THE AMX/3. ONLY 6 WERE MADE AND HAD SERIAL NUMBERS. MY STEP-DAD HAD THE #4 CAR WHICH WAS THE LE MANS TEST CAR ALSO.
NOPE, DICK TEAGUE’S SON OWNS THE ONLY RED CAR. I SAW THE ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THERE WERE A LOT OF SPARE PARTS AFTER AMC DUMPED IT DUE TO COST. A COUPLE WERE PUT TOGETHER IN ITALY BUT WERE NEVER THE AMX/3. ONLY 6 WERE MADE AND HAD SERIAL NUMBERS. MY STEP-DAD HAD THE #4 CAR WHICH WAS THE LE MANS TEST CAR ALSO.
TOM’S SITE…… http://www.amx390.com/6.html STATES AFTER THE 6 WERE MADE, DESTROY THE REST, SO SOMEONE DIDN’T DESTROY ALL OF THEM. IF YOU KNOW AMX/3 HISTORY LIKE MY STEP-DAD AND DICK TEAGUE TOLD ME YOU WOULD KNOW IT IS NOT ONE OF THE “6”.
IF YOU NOTICE THE TAIL LIGHTS ON THE RED CAR THEY ARE DIFFERENT ON DICK TEAGUE’S SON’S CAR ALSO. THOSE LEFT IN EUROPE ARE THE LAST OF THE LEFTOVERS I’M SURE.
I DID FIND THIS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT 5 COMPLETE CARS CAME TO THE US AND THE YELLOW CAR CAME OVER AS A SHELL, NO ENGINE. AS IT SAYS IN THIS ARTICLE I FOUND. DICK TEAGUE COULDN’T HAVE BEEN WRONG WHEN MY STEP-DAD AND I TALKED ABOUT THEM. I MAY BE WRONG.
The design was further developed into the even better-looking AMX/3, and a serious effort was launched to move it to production at a reasonable cost. When soon-to-come federal bumper regulations and other issues inflated the cost to well beyond volume viability, the program was scaled down to an initial run of just 30 cars to be built by Italian coachbuilder Giotto Bizzarrini, then dropped entirely after only five cars were completed. A sixth unauthorized AMX/3 was put together in Italy from a spare body and parts acquired from a subcontractor.
I have owned a yellow AMX3 for several years (s/n 397X68 0492). It has also been displayed at Pebble Beach and Meadowbrook as well as at Goodwood (UK).
I am not sure of my car’s original color since, apparently, Dick Teague, at various times, had it painted black, silver and maybe even red, before finally deciding he liked yellow and I have left it in the yellow livery in which Teague sold it on.
Dick Teague’s personal mechanic looked after the car after Teague took the car from AMC and he has assured me that the came from Italy fully assembled with its engine, so I am not sure which car you are talking about as having no motor and wish you could clarify that. I know the first car was without a motor because there was some confusion in construction between metric and US measurements so all the mounting points were wrong. Is that the one to which you are referring?
I would certainly like to see the article you found as I am trying to keep a complete file on my car.
I have a number of vintage cars ranging from a Ferrari 250 GTO to a Porsche RSR and I think the AMX3 stands up to any of them as a driver. If the price is as suggested on the web, it is a huge bargain. I will admit that I have thought about it and been tempted, but I just cannot justify owning two of them (yet).
Great article, great pictures. Well done!
1970 American Motors AMX/3 Prototype
Tucked into the corner of the Chicago Auto Show, this may be the greatest American sports car that never was. Seeking to keep pace with Italian and Detroit automakers exploring mid-engine designs, American Motors commissioned its own take in 1970. Six copies of the AMX/3 were built in Italy, using a layout similar to a DeTomaso Pantera, powered by a 340-hp version of AMC’s 390 V-8. Financial troubles would kill the AMX/3, but the six prototypes survived, including this one restored by the family of designer Richard Teague.
NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE…….BUT THOSE WHO OWN THEM.
Does everyone agree that 6 were built, the first one was delivered without an engine and with improper measurements to fit the standard engine and that two cars were allowed to badly deteriorate.
The project was shuttered before the end of 1970. Four of the six prototypes were allowed to slip into private hands. A seventh–reportedly built from spare parts and mildly restyled in the rear–remained in Italy. Two remained at AMC’s headquarters and were left outside to wage a losing battle with the harsh Michigan winters. The AMX/3’s day was done, before it ever had the chance to strut its considerable stuff.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/classic/roadtests/c12_0509_american_motors_amx3/viewall.html#ixzz2e52WyJwx
The AMX/3 project was shuttered by the end of 1970. Four of the six prototypes were allowed to slip into private hands. A seventh proto — reportedly built from spare parts and mildly restyled in the rear remained back in Italy. Two of the protos remained at AMC’s headquarters and were left to spoil outside in the harsh Michigan winter weather. The AMX/3 was officially over and done, before the rubber could even meet the road — with Ford’s out-classed Pantera winning the war by default — until The King Elvis Presley had the last word, that is…
The following is the history I got from an AMC historian a few years ago: I can’t vouch for its accuracy but the source was quite credible:
1971 AMX/3 • #1 – The first prototype was not completed nor was it considered drivable. It is currently rusting away in the basement of a barn at the Gilmore Classic Car Club Museum in Kalamazoo, Michigan. The museum is reluctant to restore the car because its origins are mysterious. The car has no VIN number, but a 1973 Michigan license plate was found in the vehicle. The plate number is RIK 423 with 1974 sticker #3-595644. AMX historian Jerry Beck offered to restore the car for free.but the curators of the museum refused the offer.
1971 AMX/3 • #2 – This car was owned by James Silvey and Jack Cohen and was for sale at one point in Indiana for over $200,000. The car is reported to be badly rusted and incomplete, missing many parts.
1971 AMX/3 • #3 – This red car was the press release car of March 23, 1970 and was owned by Richard Teague. It was donated to the San Diego Auto Museum along with most of his papers.
1971 AMX/3 • #4 – This car was sold by Richard Teague to a collector, then on to Mr. Mimbs of Georgia. He sold much of his AMC collection to a collector in Alabama. It and the AMX/2 styling exercise were both for sale in Hemmings – the AMX/3 for $225,000 and AMX/2 for $250,000. The car, now yellow, is currently owned by Bernard Carl of Washington DC.
1971 AMX/3 • #5 – This car was owned by Richard Teague and then sold to a man in Florida. The car is blue and may be the BMW test car.
1971 AMX/3 • #6 – This car was completed later from a shell left with Bizzarrini when the AMX project was terminated and is owned by Salvatore Diomante in Italy. It differs from the other cars in that it has retractable wipers and a completely different rear body.
Bernard – Thank you for this information, however, it is not accurate.
A correct history of each of the 6 AMX/3s can be found at this link: http://www.amx390.com/amx3a.html
Along with period photos and ownership details and owners names for each car.
The website you provided is certainly more detailed than what I have seen before on this subject. However, tI think it may be an updated version of the history of the cars from the same source from which I got my earlier history. I think the only differences are:
The cars are in a different order. No’s 1, 3 and 6 are the same. The car that was no 2 on my list is no 4 on yours, the no 4 on my list is your list is no 5 on yours and my number 5 is your no 2. I am not sure if either list was intended to be in order of production. Although it does appear that my yellow car may have a later serial number than the Monza test car, even that is uncertain because the numbering systems appear different. Do you have an actual list of serial numbers?
The other difference is the description of the condition of the Monza test car. I am not sure when the history I got was written nor whether the author had actually seen the car at the time it was written, so I make no judgment. However, it is clear from the current photos that the car looks great now.
Bernard – I recognize your name as the owner of the yellow AMX/3 which I saw at Pebble Beach and I published photos here: https://mycarquest.com/?p=31312
The Monza test car, No. 4, is the car for sale here and has been owned by Walter Kirtland since 1989. He commissioned a full restoration in Southern California as described in this Post and when the restoration was completed the car was driven up the California coast to Pebble Beach in 1990.
Walter, the owner, spoke with Giotto Bizzarrini at Pebble Beach in 1990 and Giotto wrote a note, which is published and translated above, assuring Walter this was the Monza test car.
Walter said the AMX/3 was a great driving car.
Giotto also told Walter that the AMX/3 was the best handling car he ever made, this includes the Ferrari 250 GTO.
If you bought this AMX/3 then you would be the only person in the world with two AMX/3s!
Don’t tempt me !
Too late I am afraid you are tempted as are many others including me.
BERNARD, when did you buy your yellow car? Is it the one parked next to my parent’s red one at a show back in the 80’s?
Thanks, Steve
MIKE, THANKS FOR BACKING MY HISTORY ON THIS CAR. I GOT TO DRIVE IT AND MY SON ALSO DROVE IT, VERY FAST CAR AND HANDLES VERY WELL. JACK DID SELL IT IN 1989 AND THEN MOVED FROM FLORIDA TO TENNESSEE. MY MOM AND JACK ARE BOTH DECEASED. JACK WAS A CAR HISTORIAN, COULD TELL YOU ANYTHING ABOUT MOST CARS SINCE HE DID HAVE A VERY IMPRESSIVE COLLECTION.
STEVE
I have car number 4 in my shop right now, this is the one that AMX390 incorrectly lists as car number 2. The two cars that Steven Glassburn says were left outside in the Michigan winter is also a made up story. I guess over time rumors get passed down and get distorted as they go from mouth to mouth.
THE #4 CAR IS THIS ONE LISTED FOR SALE BECAUSE MY MOM AND STEP-DAD WERE JACK AND MARGARET COHEN. DICK TEAGUE WAS A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MY STEP-DADS AND THEY TALKED ABOUT ALL OF THE CARS. ASK DICK’S SON. HE HAS MADE A LOT OF STATEMENTS ABOUT THE CARS. I POSTED THE HISTORY OF THE CARS FROM VERY RESPECTED MAGAZINES. THE PICTURES ON TOM’S SITE HAS A COUPLE OF PICTURES WITH THIS, #4 AMX/3 WITH JACK AND MY SON.
THIS IS FROM A MOTORTREND ARTICLE AND DICK’S SON IS SPEAKING ABOUT THE CARS.
The project was shuttered before the end of 1970. Four of the six prototypes were allowed to slip into private hands. A seventh–reportedly built from spare parts and mildly restyled in the rear–remained in Italy. Two remained at AMC’s headquarters and were left outside to wage a losing battle with the harsh Michigan winters. The AMX/3’s day was done, before it ever had the chance to strut its considerable stuff.
“Wow!” exclaims Teague, as the 390 belches awake and thrums through its short exhaust system. “I haven’t heard it run in 15 years. The last time I drove it was just prior to my dad passing away in 1991.” It was one of Teague-the-elder’s last wishes of his son: “Take the AMX/3 out, and give it a good run.” “Dad got tired of seeing those two cars–one silver, one silver blue–rotting away outside the AMC offices and asked company CEO Jerry Myers what could be done.” This was in 1980. Myers suggested crushing them. “No way my father would let that happen, so Myers asked Dad if he wanted to buy them. He did, of course, even though they’d deteriorated over the previous decade. We also got hold of a couple dozen unused transaxles.” Dick Teague felt the cars looked best in primary colors; the silver car was repainted yellow during its restoration, the light blue one redone in red, as seen here. The AMX/3’s media reveal took place in Rome, Italy, with one of the prototypes photographed in front of the Coliseum. It’s in recognition of the car’s dual citizenship that we also chose to photograph the car at the Coliseum–this time, the one in Los Angeles. C12 0509 Amx3 17 Z Teague sold the yellow car in the mid-1980s, but owned this one until the time of his passing. It spent the ensuing 15 years in a museum before Jeff extricated it and sent it to his pal, movie-car/custom-bike inventor Eddie Paul, to get it running and freshen it up for our drive. I’m not sure if Teague or I was more nervous, as I pulled the ungated shifter into reverse and put the AMX/3 back on the road for the first time since the elder George Bush was in office.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/classic/roadtests/c12_0509_american_motors_amx3/viewall.html#ixzz2l8wF7bPJ
The facts about these cars will come out soon I guess. The stuff on AMX390.com is based on rumors, not facts. Stay tuned.
Actually the history of this AMX/3 by Bizzarrini is confirmed by Giotto Bizzarrini in the hand written note to the current owner written at Pebble Beach in 1990. A copy is posted above with an English translation. Salvatore Diomante also wrote a note at the same time to the current owner.
READ THE MOTORTREND ARTICLE AT THE LINK BELOW.
http://www.motortrend.com/classic/roadtests/c12_0509_american_motors_amx3/viewall.html#ixzz2l8wF7bPJ
The AMX/3 in this add is Number 2. It was the second of three test mules. The production prototype is Number 4 and is still in Indianapolis. Very different in a lot of ways from the test mules. I’ve seen both bills of sale from Autocostruzioni “SD”.
I am really confused. What is your understanding of the history and whereabouts of each of the six cars made. Mine is the yellow car that went to pebble a couple of years ago. Where do you think that car is in the production order?
Bernie Carl
My step dad and mom owned this car, they were also very good friend’s with Dick Teague, go to Tom Dulany’s site and you will see my son and my step dad, the large man, with this red #4 car with a yellow AMX/3, is this your car? That picture was taken back in the 70’s at a show. Just asking if that is your car? It’s yellow. And per my post on Nov. 19th. was from an interview with Dick ‘s son by Motortrend. Word for word unless Dick’s son don’ t know about the cars………………all I know is what Dick and my mom and step dad told me about the cars, and yes, I did drive this #4 car as did my son.
Bernie,
There are many people with opinions but no one else has produced any supportable facts besides what I have written about AMX/3 No. 4.
Giotto Bizzarrini wrote a note, published above, saying this was the AMX/3 test car. He did not say there were any other test cars or “mules”.
I think the best resource is at this link: http://www.amx390.com/amx3a.html – I haven’t found anyone who has put more time into investigating the history of the AMX/3.
I will be happy to publish facts backed up by documentation but no one has sent any documentation disputing what has been published here or what is published on http://www.amx390.com/amx3a.html.
Your yellow AMX/3 is No. 5.
Mike, not to start a debate, but with my parent’s owning the #4 car, what is on this page is true on the #4 car. I gave Tom on the site you are referring to a lot of information on what he called the Missing Link on the history of car #4, this one. They sold it to this man, Jack Cohen, my step dad knew Dick very well and could tell anyone about all of the AMX/3’s but he passed in 2001. He knew pretty much about any old car built as he did have a nice collection of cars in his own right. Such a shame people doubt me, but in the pictures under #4 on Tom’s site, my son and Jack have this car at a show with a yellow AMX/3 next to it. And yes there was only one test car and this #4 car was it.
Thanks, Steve
WELL ALL I KNOW IS A YELLOW CAR WAS SENT OVER WITH NO ENGINE, THE #4 CAR, WHICH IS THE ONE FOR SALE WAS OWNED BY MY MOM AND STEP-DAD, JACK COHEN. MY STEP-DAD KNEW THE HISTORY OF EACH CAR AND HIS FRIENDSHIP WITH MR. TEAGUE WAS VERY WELL. MR. TEAGUE HAD THE YELLOW CAR COMPLETED AND ALL 6 CARS HAVE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR. THE ONE IN EUROPE WAS BUILT FROM LEFTOVER PARTS AFTER AMC KILLED THE PROJECT. IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A REAL AMC BUILT CAR. FROM WHAT JACK AND DICK TEAGUE TOLD ME IS THAT ALL 6 CARS ARE ALL UP AND RUNNING. IF YOU GO TO http://www.amx390.com AND CLICK ON THE NUMBER 4 CAR AND I HAVE SEVERAL PICTURES OF #4 WITH JACK AND MY SON IN A COUPLE OF THEM WITH THE YELLOW CAR NEXT TO JACKS. ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I KNOW FROM DICK AND JACK.
THIS HISTORY IS ALL WRONG. #4 IS THE ONE FOR SALE AND WAS THE TEST MULE AT LEMANS. I HAVE A LOT OF THE HISTORY OF THE CAR FROM RELIABLE WEBSITES WITH I HAVE POSTED. IF YOU READ ONE OF THEM, 4 WHERE IN PRIVATE HANDS AND 2 WERE SITTING OUTSIDE AMC AND DICK TOOK THEM AND FINISHED THEM. I ALSO EMAILED THE MUSEUM IN EUROPE AND THEY SAID IT WAS A REAL AMX/3. BUILT FROM LEFT OVER PARTS LEFT OVER AFTER AMC KILLED THE PROJECT.
PS– DO YOU KNOW WHY EVERY TIME I TYPE A COMMENT ON TIHS WEBSITE, IT AUTOMATICALLY STARTS OUT WITH THE BEGINNING “YOUR COMMENT IS AWAITING MODERATION.”
IS THE HOST TRYING TO TELL ME I LACK MODERATION AND NEED SOME ANGER MANAGEMENT PILLS.
OOPS
Ha!!
I feel the same way on other sites.
If I did not moderate comments you would not want to read what would come through. Not from real readers like you but from the professional spammer robots. I have software that filters out most of the spam but not all of it.
Mike,the side profile (especially the front wing and door) reminds me very much of the Mangusta was Richard Teague connected?And why does the paint look so Matt?
Jonathan – I do not think Teague was involved in the Mangusta or that Giugiaro was involved in the AMX/3. I think the paint texture you see is due to the lighting not the paint. Your expertise would have been useful in making better photos!
I remember the black being a matt black, not a shine on it when my parents owned it.
Paul Kite, where do you get your info? This is the #4 car. Jack Cohen was my step dad, I know this car very well. You shouldn’t say what you are saying since the man that owns this #4 AMX/3 bought it from my mom Margaret and step dad, Jack Cohen.
Paul knows exactly what he is talking about. Everyone else here commenting except Paul and myself have second hand knowledge about these cars; ours is first hand knowledge. I have seen the serial number stamping on the chassis of the #4 car and found the #4 stamping on the gearbox. The car here in Indianapolis is the number 4 final production prototype and is very different from the other three test cars. As I said earlier, all the real truth will come out and everyone needs to stop believing what is written on amx390.com.
dga,
Your statement that “Everyone else here commenting except Paul and myself have second hand knowledge about these cars” is not accurate.
Bernie C. owns the yellow AMX/3 – that is first hand knowledge.
Steven Glassburn’s step father owned the car that is the subject of this post and Steven spent time with this car and he drove it. This is first hand knowledge.
The owner of the car that is the subject of this post has owned it for 25 years and he supplied the photos and either wrote or approved all of the text, including the hand written note from Giotto Bizzarrini. He watched Giotto write and sign this note in his photo album and he spoke with Giotto about this car. That is first hand knowledge.
If “Paul knows exactly what he is talking about” he should provide the evidence not just opinions and the same for you.
DGA, you are sure you and Paul are right? I have picture verification of this car being owned by my Step dad and my mom. You know nothing about these cars unless you owned one or knew Mr. Teague or my step dad Jack Cohen. One smart idea is for you that are so confused over this car call the man that owns it now, his phone number is there.
Steve
Could Steve or Paul explain just what their differences are. As far as I can see, the question is whether the red car is chassis no 2 or 4 and whether my yellow car is no 4 or 5. Could someone tell me where to look for the chassis number on my car and what differences there should be between no 2 and 4 and between no 4 and 5?
B carl I don’t know the serial numbers of the cars but I was told they were not in any seq. order as are most cars. I just know a lot about the #4 car. It was cool to drive it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Steve
B carl, all i know is that what my step dad, Jack Cohen that owned this #4 car that is and was not the red car, it has an orange/red color. The man selling it talks about it a lot in his description of the car that my family once owned. It was the test car, the same car in the picture in Italy. I am done, since my step dad and Dick Teague are dead, and Carl, did you go to Tom’s site and see the yellow car next to this car with Jack Cohen and my son? Maybe Dick, or his son didn’t know a thing about the cars.
Steve
Bernard
I knew a guy that use to help take care of Dick Teagues’ car collection. And he told me that the yellow on your car is a corvette color from the mid-sevenites. I think its a 79 color, myself. The 2 cars that dick owned where painted at Dotten Collision, in Madsison Heights Mi. Ron Dotten was in to the 2 seater AMX’s at one time. Also, I know a Dick Stein, worked on his personal cars, at one time. Dick was an engineer at AMC. He was a zone rep at one point, when I was a technician at a Detroit area AMC dealership. I think Dick had done the motors for Dick’s cars, after they where painted, the last time.
It was stated in Road & Track that BMW had completed “durability testing” of the car, as it was intended for production. Such testing, or lack of it, had been the downfall of the Pantera, an approximate contemporary that did go to market. Normal durability cycle testing (at Ford) would have required several cars to be run to a point of near destruction and would never for liability reasons be sold off. That is why one has to believe several mules would also necessarily have existed of ANY proposed customer car gone as far as this, and then have been broken up. Also about three crash cars, though that certification was only getting underway back in 1969. As for the “mules”, they would not have had to look like these, and could have been disguised as something else, perhaps even Panterae.
To the owner of the yellow car, sir, I was treated to a lap at Road Atlanta in the ex-Teague car by its then owner, named Doughtie. I suppose it to have been around 1995. Is he in the provenance of your car? He was a local AMC booster who also hot lapped a black Gremlin there. The Gremlin ran its bearings due to the chronic starvation issue with non altered AMC V8s. The AMX/3 probably had the necessary corrections, as did the Coons & Travers or Bartz raced AMCs.
One of Teague’s cars was worked on by Larry Mitchell in the late 1980’s. I still have the “AMX-Tra” magazines where Mitchell talks about it.
The AMX/3 by Bizzarrini has sold!
Read about it here: https://mycarquest.com/?p=43622
Worked with J Cohen at Lake Central Airlines, I went to Pittsburgh for about 14 years came back to Indiana, and Jack and I both were still working for the airline he told about the red car, and drove it to the old Allison hanger and I rode in it , Jake told a story of it and about the wheels.
Fletcher, you are so right, My step-dad Jack worked up into the U.S. Air days, you may know my mom Margaret, he married her when Jack had the 1941 Lincolns and the Oakland, the National, and he bought this car and a Big Bad Blue AMX. And then moved to Fla. and back to Tennessee where live also. He died from cancer in 2001. I am glad the car went to a new owner.
Steve
Now every one that has thought all they knew about this car were wrong. I am glad it is going to a worthy owner.
Steve
What an interesting stream. I recently saw the red AMX/3 Spyder mentioned above, at Autoworld in Belgium. I was doing a bit more homework on this car when I found this site 🙂 I think they’d be horrified to find it being referred to as a fake! LOL
One Question for Mike, though!
So, Mike, what did this rare example sell for back in 2013?
Mark,
I do not share the sell price but the published listed price at the time was $800k USD and it went to Germany.
Mark Perl, that car was built from the left-over parts. Not one of the 6 sent here and a Spyder? That means a convertible last I knew. None were ever built as a drop-top that I ever saw and I have seen all 6 of the cars.
Mike Gulett, Jack was my step-dad and Margaret my mom, Jack passed in 2001 and my mom in 2010. The new owner did email me after he bought the car and asked me all about Jack and my mom. You know as well as me what I have said is right on the car. Jack told me about the interesting day you and him spent talking cars and the history of just about every one ever built. They both died in Tennessee and are buried in INDY.
Steve
I can totally see this, only without the pointed front and rear ends.
you guys have been arguing here for years.. still going around the same circles. just let it go..
my dad and i have built custom cars for several people from the late 60’s on. and still i see threads about who did this or that.
i just let it roll by and dont get involved in the drama
Is anyone making copies? i seen one website where it looks as if the shell was done.Was it a dropped project or?
i would consider working with the person or make my own if it was dropped.
This AMX/3 was restored and it won its class at Pebble Beach in August 2016 – read and see photos here: https://mycarquest.com/2016/08/american-motors-wins-award-pebble-beach.html
Useful comments ! I loved the insight ! Does someone know where I might get a blank Bill of Sale document to use ?
As a parts driver in the early 70’s for my family’s auto parts store on Grand River near Schaefer Highway I remember an AMX3 at a dealership collision shop on Greenfield road near Schoolcraft. It looked like it was having some body repairs done. Did Dick Teague own that dealership? Was it Greenfield AMC?
Bernie Carl, did you ever find your chassis number on your car? It should be 363 5/55/55. It’s interesting that your car #5 is shorter like Car #1, #2 Monza and #3 Rome/Teague car. The ownership info I found on your car is AMC sold it to Teague in 1978 then Teague sold to George Doughtie Jr., James Mimbs, Pat Ryan’s Prisma collection, Bernie and Joan Carl (current owners). I would love to detail the sale dates if you have it. I would also like to know when AMC imported your car to the US. That would explain why it is more like the early cars and the #4 Werden car is longer like the #6 and #7 cars (which are more like the original fiberglass design).
DGA, did you finish the Werden car? I would love to have current pictures!
Everyone else, all 7 cars were build by Salvatore Diomante. Only car #3 (and maybe #5) were imported by AMC to the US before the project was canceled. Cars 2 and 4 were imported in 71 by Werden and Diomante finished his car#6. Car #7 was sold unfinished to Giorgio Giordanengo who finished it and at that time an unfinished chassis was also sold to Giordanengo, later finished as the AMX Spider. Salvatore Diomante states 9 survive but it is unclear if Diomante considers the Sipder as one of the 9. This means there should be an unknow car#8 or Diomante still has that unfinished chassis from the original order of 10 cars from AMC. I’m working on documenting everything at https://www.amx3.info
Amx 3 for
Sale
Day posted-10-20-20
I would love one to buy