My Car Quest

October 22, 2014

How To Register A Classic Car Without A Title In The US

by Mike –

When I imported a car from the US East Coast to California I had to drive the car to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) so that the VIN number could be inspected and compared against the title before I could complete the registration. The California DMV wanted to be sure there was a real car that matched the VIN number on the out of state title.

A friend of mine was able to register a bare chassis in California without a title. It really wasn’t a car, it was only a chassis, and the title had long been lost. The DMV’s records did not go back to when this car was first registered.

If your vehicle is not mobile the California Highway Patrol, or certain city police departments, will send an officer to your location to verity that the VIN number is indeed the number on the chassis. This is a key step in getting a new title when the original title has been lost.

Porsche 356 barn find

Porsche 356 With Original Patina

As most of us know dealing with the DMV can be frustrating and that is one reason to understand their process before you begin. And I suggest you always have all of your paperwork prepared and signed by all of the necessary parties before going to the DMV office or you may need to make another trip.

In a guest post below the writer explains other steps in getting a lost automobile title replaced.

by Jason Lancaster

When you decide to restore a classic car, part of the satisfaction comes from the fact that you’ve rescued your vehicle from certain oblivion. Therefore, looking for “barn find cars” – a classic car hidden in a field, a forgotten garage, etc. – is both fun and rewarding. If you’re lucky, you’ll find a gem that you can rescue from neglect.

However, if there’s a problem with hunting for barn find cars, it’s that these forgotten vehicles often don’t have a title. Twenty, thirty, or fifty years later, vehicle titles are often lost or forgotten, and while you can usually pay someone for the right to haul the car away, registration is another matter.

Porsche 356 barn find

Porsche 356 – No Barn Around

Fortunately, there is a relatively straightforward solution to the “I lost the title” problem. Using your state’s bonded title process, you can secure title for any abandoned or forgotten vehicle you find and get your registration.

What’s a Bonded Title?

If you’ve ever heard the expression “possession is nine-tenths of the law,” then you know that physically possessing a vehicle makes you the owner – at least in the eyes of the law – until someone else can prove that they own the vehicle instead.

Therefore, if you have possession of a vehicle and the rightful owner is unknown, your state has a process that allows you to secure a title.

1. First, you need to make every effort to find the rightful owner.

2. Second, you need to purchase a bond equal to (or in excess of) the value of the vehicle you want to title.

3. Third, you file some paperwork and turn the bond you purchased over to the state.

4. Finally, assuming your paperwork is correct, the state will issue you a title.

Jaguar XKE barn find

Jaguar XKE In Need of A Restoration

You turn the bond you buy over to the state so that they have something to give the vehicle’s original owner should he or she re-appear at some point in the future. Since the state essentially “gives away” someone’s property when they issue you a bonded title, the bond is paid to the original owner as compensation.

You get the car, the original owner gets a check, and the state gets to wash their hands of the whole thing. Make sense? Great. Here’s how you go about it.

The Bonded Title Process

Please note that the process listed below is a little bit different in each state. However, this is a good general guide. Be sure to contact your local DMV for specifics.

1. VIN number search – A VIN number must be searched by law enforcement or DMV offices to determine if the car was stolen and to see what other facts can be discovered.

2. Title search – Using the VIN number, a title search is next. Most states will conduct a title search for a fee.

Jaguar XKE barn find

Jaguar XKE Interior – Needs To Be Cleaned Up

3. Proof of lien release – If the title search turns up any liens on the vehicle, those liens must be released (paid off). Sometimes this means you’ll need to contact the original lien holder.

4. Vehicle Appraisal – The vehicle must be appraised to determine its value, however small that value may be.

5. Purchase a Surety Bond – A bond must be purchased for at least one and a half times the appraised value, and often twice the appraised value (the amount varies by state, so again you’ll need to check with your local DMV).

6. Vehicle safety inspection – A safety inspection will determine if the vehicle is roadworthy or not, which in turn determines what type of title you can apply for (either a regular title or a salvage title).

7. Complete an Affidavit – Most states require you to fill out an affidavit explaining why you are going through this process and why no title currently exists. You may be asked to explain where you found the car, what you did to try to find the original owner, etc. Some states may require you to run an ad in the newspaper to try and locate the original owner in addition to all of the above.

Once all these steps are completed, you can submit a title application and secure ownership. This allows you to register the car and get on with the real work – the restoration process.

Have fun!

Jaguar XKE barn find

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Jason Lancaster is a former dealership sales manager with nearly 10 years of auto industry experience, and he’s even secured a couple of bonded titles. Jason currently writes for the Blue Springs Ford Parts blog.

All photos by Mike Gulett.


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Comments

  1. ~ a very simple explanation of a complicated bureaucratic function. thank you both for the effort to clarify the process.

  2. Scot,

    You are welcome.

    I know this is not the most exciting subject but it may be important to some readers.

    • ~ agreed! having reached or crossed my frustration threshold with DMV on several occasions i could have made use of these tips to streamline my own attempts.

  3. Wouldn’t a mechanics lean be simpler?

    • I think a mechanics lean would apply if the owner owed money to the finder of the car. But even then the subject is about a car without a title.

      The author is talking about finding a car where the owner is not known or maybe is known but the title is lost.

  4. I find these topic very interesting, on a similar note I found this law regarding boats fascinating. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/todd-tholke_n_1955871.html

  5. The registration process of an “out-of-state” vehicle in California requires VIN verification, whether or not the car has a title and even a current registration outside of California. California lost title also requires a VIN verification if the registration is expired and/or the car is “off the DMV” books. I recently purchased an Alfa from OH and had the VIN verified by a licensed VIN Verification specialist. The cost was $25 and the VIN was verified in my driveway.

    California liens consist of two categories based on vehicle value and/or monies owed. The “under $4000″ lien usually takes 30 days to reach allowed sale date and is less scrutinized by the DMV. “$4000 and up” lien takes up to 4 months to reach a sales date and goes through more scrutiny. The latter lien is also not favorable as it gives original owner(s) more time to respond. These liens can be filed by an individual seeking to “recoup” his/her expenses. I usually used professional services here as well to make sure that all the ‘T’s” were crossed. Last thing you need is a problem with the State, especially if monies were invested in the restoration of the vehicle.

    • Good info. I didn’t spend a lot of time on VIN verification, mostly because it’s not typically that involved. However, all things are a bit more complicated in California, aren’t they?

      Incidentally, California is *famous* for losing title and lien records, even on cars that are only a couple of years old. I’m not sure if it’s due to management, lack of funding, or just the sheer number of cars in California, but in my dealership days we often had trouble getting titles from California…to the point were we would have to devalue trade-ins with California titles a few hundred just because it was going to take them a long time to clear.

  6. Eileen Garibay says:

    What happens if you had a but vin tags are not there?

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